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09/25/07

Picking up the reins of her own life ... or not

Posted by : Nancy Spoolstra in Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog at 08:12 am , 465 words, 307 views  
Categories: My family
Continued from here ...

I told him that few kids had experienced the degree of support and effort in and towards their lives that Amy had experienced. I told him that she was no where near willing to pick up the reins for her own life, and if he did, he would one day find himself in the position of having to do exactly what he was fighting so hard against right now … leave her to be responsible for herself … or not …


I gave him a brief history of her unwillingness to make any decisions regarding her own life, including getting a job, getting an apartment, getting anything or doing anything for herself. I briefly detailed all the effort that had gone into helping her have a healthy approach to herself and to life … and how she had systematically thumbed her nose at those efforts. She had told him that we “turned our backs on her” because she changed her mind about the Navy. I said that was not true—while it was true we thought the Navy was a great choice for her, we didn’t change anything about our approach when she ditched on that commitment. He had apparently seen the card I gave Amy celebrating her decision to join the Navy, and he acknowledged that degree of enthusiasm and support from us didn’t fit with what she had said. (I think he had already noticed some discrepancies between what she said and her actual reality …) At one point this quiet young man shared with me that his dad had abandoned him … so you can imagine how Amy’s stories were impacting him. I assured him that no one had abandoned her—quite the opposite, that I had worked far harder on her life than she ever had.

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Several times he stated, “I don’t want to be disrespectful, but I can’t leave her knowing she has no place to be after Friday.” I told him he had to do what he had to do, but if he facilitated finding her some place (and I have no idea how or what he thinks he will find) he was actually only delaying the inevitable … that when that place ran out of time, he or someone else would find themselves facing the same crisis. I stressed that he really was not doing her a service by enabling her … by fixing her problem and allowing her to take no responsibility for it. From her position, she's quite happy that if she is to be homeless, she will at least not be alone and someone else will be there calling the shots ... and she can continue with her mantra of "Whatever happens, happens."

To be continued ...

Apartment wanted, Part Three

Donning my asbestos suit

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Comment from: nancyderen [Member] Email
I'm so sorry that you have to go through the pain of seeing your child reach this point after all your efforts. Thank God that this man isn't one who is going to take advantage of Amy. One of my biggest fears for my daughter is that she will trust the wrong people when she grows up because of her neediness. You and Amy are in my prayers. I'm happy for you that you have the joys and progress of Beth and Dora to help you through all this.
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 09:08
Comment from: Holly [Member] Email · http://africa-adoption.adoptionblogs.com
Nancy, totally btdt. Our 18 yo - now 19 - left home last year and took about 2 weeks to totally tank. She spreads the same kind of lies that Amy is and lives the same kind of life - no job and no desire to get one, lie, cheat, steal and manipulate to get what you want. After a year of living with an abuser, she finally called the cops on him and has moved on to her next mark. It is a sad, sad life she has chosen - but she has chosen it with gusto!

Holly
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 09:36
Comment from: MamaS [Member] Email
Reading the story of Amy has helped me to "just say NO" to my Maria. Like Amy, she is unappreciative and a user. I supported her for 5 years after high school. And what do I have to show for it? A wonderful 4-year-old grandson whom I legally adopted, but no retirement savings (it went to pay off stolen maxed credit cards and legal fees).
Last month I had a serious accdent (broken bones, surgery, etc.) and she heard and came to "see how I was"! I thought maybe it was the beginning of maturity and caring? NOT. She spent less than 5 minutes with her son, "borrowed" my car and totaled it. Then left in a huff because I "cared more about the car than I did about her!" She took with her my gas card, cell phone, and all my prescription pain medication. The pain I am feeling now would not be helped by medicine!
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 10:08
Comment from: mmarschner [Member] Email
Oh, how painful for this young man too. --- Im' sorry this is happening Nancy
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 10:58
Comment from: lucy [Member] Email
Why get involved at all? Check the guy out to be sure he's not an ax murderer, but they are both adults. Their choices and mistakes are theirs to make.

If Amy's going to learn to manage life on her own, that includes mistakes.

Maybe if this guy is a good guy, he can help her find a little more of herself before they move on.

I know it's maddening to watch, but watching is sometimes, in my opinion, the best option.

Lucy
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 12:05
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
I only went to the apartment because the boyfriend's mom asked me to. I went to talk to the son, on behalf of his mother. I am not getting involved in any decision making or bail out.
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 12:48
Comment from: lucy [Member] Email
If a 21 year old girl's mom had called about her daughter, I would only have spoken to my son about it. I would have told the girl her mother called and was concerned, but at 21, unless one of them is an ax murderer, I don't see the point.

Not trying to argue, I guess I just view the relationships with my adult children differently.

Lucy
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 13:05
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
MamaS, your story is so sad. Hang in there!
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 13:07
Comment from: Sunbonnet Sue [Member] Email
Lucy has a great point. Another possible option would be to give the mom lots of empathy, and encourage her to touch base with her son. Less opportunity to become caught in the middle. This boy is a stranger to you too.
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 14:08
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
I know, guys, I don't disagree with you... but remember, what I DO is KIDS .... and whether or not this is my kid or someone else's kid ... if he is getting scammed or going down the tubes, it is hard to totally ignore. I HAVE told his mom that she can't protect him from himself and I have given her lots of advice to not micromanage it ... ie to step back. He does have some disabilities and some "history" and he IS a nice kid with a good heart and helping a kid who wants to do the right thing is a far different deal than stepping up to "help" someone who will rebuff your good intentions. Trust me, I will not be "in the middle" because I have made it clear that I am not finding Amy a place or helping this young man "help" my manipulative, unappreciative, lying daughter. I did all I am going to do, and that was to talk to him that one time.
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 14:56
Comment from: lmg1567 [Member] Email
Nancy,

I've been reading your posts about Amy with great interest. At first I thought it was because I have a RAD son and then it really hit me: My oldest son has a girlfriend of two years who has to be RAD. There's no other explanation for the behavior we've seen from her and the recent explosion (against myself and my husband) which resulted in my son moving in with her and a CPS investigation against us. He's 21 and we thought a very smart boy, but as long as he's been with her he's gotten dumber every month. We tried to help this girl in more ways than you can imagine including letting her stay at our home for a few months when her parents kicked her out last fall. The first time we really asked ANYTHING of her (an apology from her to our daughter because she was extremely hurtful and inappropriate) all heck broke loose, she turned us in to CPS for abusing our RAD child (of course him because she knew how much we were struggling with him and at our wits end), threatened even more "games" and has basically alienated our son from us because she's playing the, "they hate me and don't want me around" game on him that she played about her bio family on us. It's all very complicated, but I cannot seem to get my son to open his eyes to her and he, again, is VERY intelligent. I understand that things just need to play out the way they're going to, but it's hard to watch your child lose everything to someone so manipulative. I know my son is making his own decisions and am heartbroken that he has chosen her over his whole family - the only time we hear from him now is when he wants something and we've gotten very good at telling him NO - something we never would have dreamed of before this girl came into his life. He's made such terrible choices with her, it's like he's not himself at all.
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 18:15
Comment from: dubbamom [Member] Email
I'd agree to stay out of it, if I had a normal 21 year old. Remember Amy is not normal, and Nancy is all too aware of the hurt she can cause those who want to love her. If this young man's mother is ill, she certainly doesn't need the added burden of a very troubled 19 year old in her household. Kuddos, to Nancy for caring about this boy and his mother, enough, to be truthful with them about Amy. I'm sure this whole experience must have been (and still is) very painful for Nancy. Staying out of it would have been the easy way out, imo. I think Nancy took the hard and responsible route.
PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 20:13
Comment from: John [Member] Email
Nancy, I think you are in an unusual position with this young man. You are Amy's mom, not his. Your words about Amy are far more likely to be accepted by him because of this. You are doing what you can to save him, and that is wonderful. You are also doing what you can to save Amy, enabling will only prolong any day of reckoning. Yucky, upsetting, and being a parent. John







PermalinkPermalink 09/25/07 @ 21:57
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
"You are Amy's mom, not his. Your words about Amy are far more likely to be accepted by him because of this."


Trouble is, he doesn't believe me. She has him completely snowed and convinced that she is the victim and we have abused her and dumped her. But I tried .... and if he does stick around, he'll figure it out himself one day.
PermalinkPermalink 09/26/07 @ 06:28
Comment from: AdoptionBlogs Editor [Member] Email · http://editor.adoptionblogs.com
I'm with John. I think you're did the right thing. When I was 21 and amazingly naive, I got involved with a guy who was just like Amy. It was the beginning of the darkest period of my life. His mother knew full well what was going on and pretended to be a friend to me but I can't even begin to imagine the pain and abuse I could have avoided if she had only told me what was really going on.
You gave the boy the information. What he chooses to do with it is up to him, but I truly believe you did a good thing.
PermalinkPermalink 09/26/07 @ 06:37
Comment from: nancyderen [Member] Email
RAD often turns into borderline personality disorder in adulthood, and many of the issues people here are bringing up about adult kids fit that model. Img1567 and others who may have kids who get sucked in by people with these personality traits might want to check out some of the books written specifically for family members and significant others of people with borderline personality. Some of the titles are things about walking on eggshells, "I Hate You- Don't Leave Me" and others along those lines. Maybe some of your loved ones who are being taken advantage of will recognize the descriptions, and at least get some ideas on how to heep from getting sucked dry.
PermalinkPermalink 09/26/07 @ 07:44
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