Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog

04/13/07

Pinocchio, your nose is growing

Posted by : Nancy Spoolstra in Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog at 08:28 am , 521 words, 142 views  
Categories: Parenting Tips and Tricks, Problem Behaviors, Elementary School
PinochioLast October I wrote a couple of posts (here and here) about Beth’s problem with lying and my problem with Beth’s problem of lying… Well, we are (or she is) still at it. The second previous post I linked is the story of my last lie as a child... and what it was that had such a profound impact on me that I stopped lying.


Beth was ten last November. When I researched developmental ages and stages the last time I wrote about lying, I was surprised to see how little definitive information I could find by Googling Developmental age and stage lying. Most of what is out there relates to preschoolers… or sociopaths. Not much about the tweeners.



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There were a few references to Piaget’s hierarchy of development. Another resource can be found here. And here is an interesting tidbit about adoption and pathological behavior.



Most of what I could glean from my Internet search indicates Beth should be pulling out of this stage by now. Some of the literature lists 11-15 as the next developmental stage, where kids of that age function more-or-less like adults in terms of brain activity—the difference being degree of experience and knowledge accumulated. So there is still some fudge-factor room here… but what is disturbing me is that it doesn’t seem to be changing at all.


Here’s what precipitated this resurgence of my need to address this problem:


Beth has a sweet tooth, and an affinity for junk food and snacks. Don’t we all? However, I am forever finding candy wrappers and chip sacks around the house. Ok, ok, she’s ten, I get that… but… She has had three days of math assessment testing, so yesterday when she arrived home from school I fixed her one of those rich, large microwave cakes. Major sugar overload… but she was going to swim practice so it seemed like an OK plan. After she finished it, she told me how full she was and that she wouldn’t likely want anything else before swimming. A few minutes before we were leaving, I spy an Easter chocolate egg wrapper on the kitchen table. “Who left this here?” I inquire. “Not me!” “Are you sure?” “Yes, I’m sure, it wasn’t me!” Well, Julie, our foreign exchange student was upstairs, but I didn’t think it was her.


Three times I asked my little darlin’ about the candy… three times, like Peter, she denied it, all the while giving me full eye contact. As we piled into the car to go to swim practice, I turned to her and informed her we weren’t leaving until I got the real scoop. So she ‘fessed up. She had the candy and left the wrapper on the table.


Now, you might ask, was the wrapper left there on purpose? Was I supposed to notice it? Or is she just lazy? I favor the latter, because she is more than happy to do the same thing under other circumstances. But who knows?


Next installment I’ll tell you how I responded.

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Comment from: Othertheresa [Member] Email
Since there are other Theresa's who respond, I'll introduce myself as Othertheresa. I wanted you to know how much I value your insight Nancy. We have four girls, all adopted, 2 with histories of trauma and abuse . All are post institutionalized. They all lie, not all the time and not maliciously, but to get out of trouble. They range in age from 9-15. It's especially maddening, since we stress high accountability, honesty, being trustworthy, etc. I've gotten to the point where I identify the likeliest culptrit and say "It was unacceptable for you to do this because....." and usually they will then 'fess up. One of the many things we are working with on the whole bunch.
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Comment from: Angela [Member] Email · http://ukraine.adoptionblogs.com/
Starting with the obvious.. my kids is different from your kids. :)

What jumped out to me is that you set Beth up to lie. You knew that Beth most likely ate the candy but you ask her anyway. And you ask her several times... Therefore forcing her to invest in the lie more.

Now my darling has an anxiety disorder, so she will lie from fear. Many of these fears just aren't rational and being asked a question can trigger lying.

So we have to practice telling the truth. I don't ask questions and therefore Natasha avoids the overwhelming (for her) stress.

I will make statements like, "Natasha you ate the candy. The wrapper belongs in the trash."

Then we talk about whatever issue we need to discuss.
PermalinkPermalink 04/13/07 @ 13:32
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
I suppose in a way I did set her up to lie... but she doesn't have an anxiety disorder... she's in most ways a normal, healthy kid who just finds it easier to "duck the truth" than 'fess up. I can't always avoid asking her direct questions... and there was a SLIGHT possibility she had seen Julie in the kitchen eating that candy...and she could have offered that up if it was, indeed, true. To me, this feels more like a bad habit or something not important enough to address right now *for her* because it doesn't cause *her* a problem... although that changed with my response to her lying... stay tuned. And thanks for your input--great food for thought.
PermalinkPermalink 04/13/07 @ 13:35
Comment from: Kelly [Member] Email · http://fost-adopt.adoptionblogs.com
Must be something in the air, or time of the year or something. We're going through a bout of crazy lying here as well, and NOT from my big kid that typically lies.....
PermalinkPermalink 04/13/07 @ 15:39
Comment from: jkeall [Member] Email · www.keallfoundation.com
I agree with Angela and suggest that you look at other ways to deal with this. I was quite the liar throughout my childhood, and the confrontations only fueled and set up further alienation and conjured up scared and unsafe emotions. That is obviously not good. Functioning adults understand lying is not "normal”, but to a child in this instance – it is truly their default they rely on time and time again. It’s that 1 percent chance to not be in trouble, disappoint the caretaker and cause trouble. That 1 percent may sound illogical, but that's the ticket most ride.
PermalinkPermalink 04/13/07 @ 18:08
Comment from: Nancy Cozadd [Member] Email
I am more in Nancy's camp, though I can definitely see (although respectfully disagree) with those who are not. We stress honesty and integrity in our home. My husband and I like to "catch" them in action, whether it be in obedience or disobedience, and respond accordingly. "Is your room clean?" "Yes, Mom." If it is, they get what they asked for. If it is not, they clean up their room to earn the priviledge of getting what they want. "Did you brush your teeth?" "Yes. Dad." "Then why can I smell your breath from here?" or "Great job! Thank you for doing what we asked."

Granted, the above-quoted children are 12-year-old tweenagers. These methods did not work with our bi-polar daughter. They only caused more infuriaton and explosive behaviour with our RADish son. They both needed entirely different methods, and as their parents we adjusted accordingly.

I don't think that you are necessarily setting up a child by asking them a straightforward question. It leaves the opportunity for both truth and lie. It depends on the child.
PermalinkPermalink 04/14/07 @ 09:18
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