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08/12/07

Rendezvous in Target

Posted by : Nancy Spoolstra in Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog at 06:48 pm , 585 words, 326 views  
Categories: My family
TargetI think it is only fitting that I add a post script to this series of blogs by telling you about seeing Amy yesterday. I haven’t seen her since May, nor heard from her. Apparently she has changed her phone number, but I wasn’t told. That’s fine, she’s not the first one of my kids to do that.


As I mentioned previously, she hadn’t paid a nickel of rent since taking up residence in her apartment last September. The first six months rent were paid in advance, as arranged by my husband, using money we made her save (direct deposit) from jobs we made her get.
(Peanut butter paralysis, Part One; Part Two)


I wish I had a nickel for every time we had conversations about saving the money she was earning, as one day she would be living off of it; and about living under a bridge if she didn’t learn some life skills. This reminds me of my conversation with Deborah Hannah about how many times she discussed addictive personalities and the need to stay away from drinking (because birth dad was an alcoholic) with her now alcoholic son … the same son who assured her he wouldn’t go that direction. Amy never acknowledged my fears, one way or the other … like every other conversation we ever had about her life, her face was blank and impassive.

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So anyway, yesterday my husband calls Amy to make arrangements to get together with her in order to facilitate us collecting the nearly three grand that she hasn’t bothered to collect from Unclaimed Money in Indiana. Since we had to pay nearly six months in rent, we’d kind of like this money. She doesn’t answer the phone. A few hours later he shows up unannounced at her apartment, and when she answers the door, she greets him with, “I was just getting ready to call you.”


He had already confirmed there was a notary at our bank branch at Target, so he called me to meet them there, so we could get Power of Attorney and collect this check. (My name is also on this unclaimed money, but since she is over 18, it gets more complicated.) I walked into Target and the first thing I see is that same pouty face I had looked at for years, and years, and years, and years. And it was like a time warp. I acknowledged her presence but said nothing. We did our paperwork, I talked to my husband, and then I left. He bought a few things at Target and then drove her back to her apartment … from 124th Street to 143rd Street. She fell asleep on the way home …


At some point before she completely tuned him out, he told her she needed to be working about 65 hours/week to support her lifestyle. He told her she had completely killed her credit rating so she wouldn’t likely be able to get another apartment, especially around the area of her fast-food restaurant job. So she needed to move into someone else’s apartment or find a friend’s couch somewhere. He told her he had bailed her out the day before her deadline to move out of our home, when she had done nothing, but she was on her own this time.


This will not be pretty and this is exactly what I worked incredibly hard to avoid, but it really didn’t matter, did it?


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Comment from: Julia Fuller [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
Hi Nancy, Our daughter will be 19 this month we adopted her when she was 9, sister was 15. She moved in with her older bio sister last August. Never gave us her phone number. Showed up at Christmas for her gifts. Showed up at our son's open house in June, ate, lounged on the couch and left. Moved into an apartment with a friend. Didn't even give us the address, heard this from her older sister. So I've seen her once this year. Her birthday is in a couple weeks....
PermalinkPermalink 08/12/07 @ 19:24
Comment from: CREAMPUFF_SUGAR [Member] Email
Nancy,
You gave...that is what mattered.
You will never know how much that mattered this side of eternity. History is replete with people who gave who never knew how much it really did matter. Frankly, it is people like you that should be receiving accolades upon accolades, but I have decided that, for reasons I don't understand, God often doesn't allow that, which does not make your toil in the Lord in vain (ICor15:58)
PermalinkPermalink 08/12/07 @ 19:33
Comment from: Kathleenb [Member] Email
I don't know if any of this will ever get through to Amy, but you're showing your level of commitment in a way your other kids can see. And you're doing what YOU feel is right. Sometimes that's the bottom line - do what you believe is right, what you believe God is telling you to do. You can only do that, you can't force anyone else's actions or reactions.
PermalinkPermalink 08/12/07 @ 20:17
Comment from: mum [Member] Email
In my opinion, Amy should consider immediately contacting a personal injury lawyer.
PermalinkPermalink 08/12/07 @ 20:19
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
"In my opinion, Amy should consider immediately contacting a personal injury lawyer."

Because of what lies ahead for her or because we had her sign over a portion of the money she owes us? Did you get the part where we paid $4000 for her back rent? And she IS over 18, therefore responsible for herself ...
PermalinkPermalink 08/12/07 @ 20:57
Comment from: kml1764 [Member] Email
I'm kind of confused. You wrote that the $3000 was money that your daughter had earned that you forced her to save. I'm not clear of how the $4000 comes into it. While I am sure that you supported her for the years since you adopted her, why should the unclaimed money come to you? Since she did decide to move out (or did she?), she should be responsible for herself.

Kris
PermalinkPermalink 08/13/07 @ 00:16
Comment from: Cindy Bodie [Member] Email · http://older-child.adoptionblogs.com
"she fell asleep,"...that's exactly the avoidance mechanism I often see here. I'm internally boiling and they're sleeping. Go figure.
PermalinkPermalink 08/13/07 @ 04:22
Comment from: dubbamom [Member] Email
kml,
I got the impression from Nancy's blogs, that Nancy and her husband, had to pay for 6 months, of unpaid rent, that Amy owed. I think Nancy said, they paid for her first few months of rent, meaning that Amy has lived in the apartment for about year, and hasn't contributed any of her earnings towards rent.

Nancy, I'm sorry that Amy probably won't get or appreciate you bailing her out of this mess.
PermalinkPermalink 08/13/07 @ 06:13
Comment from: Mabel03 [Member] Email
So sorry, Nancy, that nothing has gotten through to Amy.

Her total lack of emotion and excuses, excuses, excuses sound eerily familiar, even though we have a younger child.
PermalinkPermalink 08/13/07 @ 07:20
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
Amy's first six months rent was paid for by money she earned and "saved" because we insisted she save it (through direct deposit.) This was money from jobs going all the way back to age 15. So her first six months were paid in advance. She was to earn and save enough for her last six months, and start paying monthly on month 7. She paid nothing at all, and after five months, they called my husband, who had co-signed the lease. He paid the five months in arrears, around $4000.

The $2800 was money that was available to Steph, Kyle and Amy ... money left in a bank from our days in Indiana. I was a co-recipient on all three accounts, as the money was from stocks my dad purchased. I started the ball rolling for all three kids. The older two collected theirs. A second time I had the paperwork sent directly to Amy. All she had to do was send in a photocopy of a picture ID. She didn't.

We acquired Power of Attorney and we are sending in the required paperwork to collect the money. Why wouldn't we do that, even if she *didn't* owe us $4000? It is clear she will not make the effort, and the money was from my side of the family. As it is, this $2800 will soften the blow we get when we pay *this last time* to bail her out.

Does that clarify things?
PermalinkPermalink 08/13/07 @ 07:32
Comment from: Pylon [Member] Email
First of all, if Amy can't even muster the motivation to collect $2800, I doubt she'd consult with an attorney. And, even if she did, she'd learn that after age 18, her parents have NO obligation to get her out of ANY of the messes she creates for herself. Finally, a personal injury attorney is an attorney who represents persons who have been injured in automobile accidents, slip and fall cases and the like. I'm sure the "personal injury" part was supposed to be a jab, but please, read the archives of Nancy's blog before you make judgments.
PermalinkPermalink 08/13/07 @ 21:18
Comment from: mater [Member] Email
Note that Nancy Spoolstra just attempted to rationalize to her readers the belief that she is entitled to any inheritance her child was left by her grandfather *regardless* of the circumstances -- regardless of whether there was a debt to be paid or not! (A "Sense of Entitlement" is a sign of Attachment Disorder, no?)

I think a personal injury lawyer for this young woman is a very good idea. According to her adoptive mother's extensive accounts, this young woman long endured abusive "therapy" and parenting as a child. ("Cruelty to Others")

And her mother can't stop the abuse; she makes it her avocation to almost daily disparage and humiliate this young woman in public. ("Incessant Chatter")
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 13:01
Comment from: lucy [Member] Email
So Nancy is suppose to pay her adult daughters apartment rent? Really? I should go after my parents as I've been having to pay my own way.

I can personally guarantee you that Amy was not ever abused. Amy herself told me that her mom tried every way to help her and she just didn't want it. Amy acknowledges she does not see the world the way others do.

Amy doesn't LIKE to make ANY choices. This is NOT something Nancy told me, or something I read, but something I've watched over the last 11 years.

I'm not sure what the reference regarding abusive parenting or therapy is in regard to, I do know neither ever occurred.

Amy's family very much loves her and she knows this.

Lucy



PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 14:45
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
Gosh, Mater, how do you feel about garnishing wages for child support? How horrible for those dead beat dads to be held accountable! What an invasion of personal rights those run-away-and-hide dads are experiencing! Their kids should just buck up!

And did you skip the part where I explained that *I, TOO* am a beneficiary of that money? Oops, sorry, that wouldn't have fit well into your rant ...
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 16:00
Comment from: mater [Member] Email
Alas, you missed my point. My comment was not so impertinent as to argue who should pay or not pay for rent in this case.

My point was about what Spoolstra's comments revealed about her own character. She claims she would feel entitled to her daughter's inheritance -- even if there were no rent to be paid. Her justifications were 1.) that the inheritance originated from her side of the family and 2.) her daughter hadn't yet claimed the money.

You say you have personal knowledge of this daughter. I do not. But I know that Spoolstra is a major proponent extreme parenting and treatment practices. There is no denying that the literature for such practices puts a priority on unhealthy levels of adult control and child submission. It's hardly surprising that children raised like this would have major problems coping as young adults.
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 16:16
Comment from: AdoptionBlogs Editor [Member] Email · http://editor.adoptionblogs.com
Mater,
Your comments are way out of line here. If you have an axe to grind I'm going to have to ask you to take it somewhere else. That is not what this site is about.
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 16:21
Comment from: mater [Member] Email
If I have an axe to grind it's that I've become concerned about this young woman.
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 17:14
Comment from: Pylon [Member] Email
Mater, I suspect that you have not walked miles and miles and miles in the shoes of a parent with an attachment disordered child. It's easy to criticize and buy into the child's pitiful presentation and "games" if you don't know what lies behind. Perhaps YOU should pay this 18-year-old ADULT's rent, make sure she takes care of herself endure the anguish of no reciprocal affection, motivation or any iota of an indication that Amy cares a hoot about what you do or not do.
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 18:13
Comment from: getting old [Member] Email
I have a son who would like to come live with you ----mater

My parents never co signed for me an apartment or anything.... paid my own college too
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 18:51
Comment from: mater [Member] Email
Whose responsibility is it to prepare a child for independence?

And if a child has demonstrated that he/she is incapable of fully independent living after age 18 -- because of some mental/physical disorder or whatever -- do the parents not shoulder continued responsibility for the basic needs of that child?





PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 20:13
Comment from: Pylon [Member] Email
I think the difference lies in the use of the term "incapable". Is Amy truly incapable of independent living? No, she is not MOTIVATED to do so. BIG DIFFERENCE between the ability to live independently and the inclination to just passively let others run interference and rescue you because you know they will. Recall Nancy's entry about driving countless miles and hours to therapy twice monthly, finally terminating therapy because of Amy's comment that she knew what she had to do, she just didn't feel like doing it? Doesn't sound like an incapable individual to me.
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 21:06
Comment from: mater [Member] Email
Normally long-term lack of motivation in one's child should be taken seriously. It is a feature seen in numerous medical/mental conditions. Bemoaning the lack of "reciprocal affection" from any child suffering this joyless state strikes me as rather unrealistic and solipsistic.

And you know, at one time, even Nancy Thomas admitted to rejecting the idea of going through Holding Therapy herself as an adult (with her "cowboy") -- and this was after she had long been a "co-therapist" for various Holding Therapists. Who then could blame any child for a reluctance to do the same?
PermalinkPermalink 08/14/07 @ 22:33
Comment from: lucy [Member] Email
Who said it was holding therapy Amy refused to do? I must have missed that.

Amy is quite capable of living on her own, she chooses not to do so. It's becoming quite a common factor among young adults where I live. They choose not to work and roam house to house looking for the next person to take care of them. It is very sad, but it is a decision. They seem to find many enabling and rescuing adults to take them in.

Amy WAS taught life skills and she CAN use them if she so chooses. But then, she doesn't like choices.

My 19 year old son told me he needed to learn things the hard way. He recently told me he tried helping his 18 year old sister. But he said he couldn't, because she was hard headed and apparently needed to learn things the hard way. He is now making good decisions for himself.

Amy will find her way. She has the tools she needs. Her parents made sure that she did.

Lucy
PermalinkPermalink 08/15/07 @ 17:26
Comment from: mariah [Member] Email
I just read a term in Mary Hunt's financial column--she called the period between 18-25 "adultolescence." I think she heard it somewhere. There are many kids who just can't quite make the leap into adulthood. As parents, we have to do the tough thing and step back and hope they don't fall too far.
PermalinkPermalink 08/16/07 @ 18:34
Comment from: Faith Allen [Member] Email · http://hoping.adoptionblogs.com/
"So Nancy is suppose to pay her adult daughters apartment rent? Really? I should go after my parents as I've been having to pay my own way."

It seems to me that if any parent should be held responsible for paying Amy money as an adult, it should be the parent who caused the trauma in the first place. Nancy is part of the solution, not the problem.

I was a severely traumatized child, and I do not believe that anyone else is responsible for paying my way through life. (I would like to see abusers responsible for picking up the therapy tab, but that's another issue.) If I lived my life relying on other people to bail me out, I would be choosing an unhealthy dependency. Part of being an adult involves taking responsibility for our own choices. That includes the choice to pay rent and the choice to heal from childhood trauma.

- Faith
PermalinkPermalink 08/16/07 @ 18:59
Comment from: AdoptionBlogs Editor [Member] Email · http://editor.adoptionblogs.com
As the Blog Editor here, I feel it necessary to let readers know that we will not tolerate baiting or harassment of our bloggers. I realize that everyone here has very strong feelings and convictions about issues discussed in these blogs but I must request that you keep it civil or find some other place to vent about what bothers you.


Again, I will not tolerate the harassment of my bloggers.
PermalinkPermalink 08/17/07 @ 13:33
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