Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog

11/16/07

Shoot the messenger ... again

Posted by : Nancy Spoolstra in Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog at 06:44 am , 686 words, 355 views  
Categories: Should I seek help?
Well, the fur is a’flyin’ over on the community board I anonymously mentioned a couple of days ago. I have been blasted for all manner of things:


• Most notably, they are angry that I “cross-posted.” But I didn’t … I did describe a scenario I read about on that board, but I mentioned no names, did not quote the post, and did not name or link the board. Based on their logic, anything anybody reads on that board can never be used in any other settings. It is the Internet … that is not likely. Based on this line of thinking, I can’t apply anything I learned from one family to another family … that would be crossing the line of privacy. Also based on this logic, the poster who recently started a discussion about the families she met at a social gathering who were "clueless" was out of line for talking about them on this board.

• I was blasted for supposedly singling out and bashing the original poster … more on that shortly.

• I was deemed an ex vetenerian turned self described adoption "expert". (This is a direct quote, but I wanted to be diligent in getting the quote correct …)

• My favorite—I was blasted yet again because all my kids were not “successes”, therefore I was a terrible parent and not qualified to comment.

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I debated responding to this in my blog, but had decided not to do so until someone I respected posted a comment on the thread this morning. This person believed I had crossed into a gray area in what I posted the other day (because of cross posting limitations I presume), and that my post (and tone) was condescending. However, this same poster didn't think my blog was that "egregious."


I have long been a lighting rod, and I have seen many, many parents much prefer to shoot the messenger as opposed to hear the message. But it is never, ever my intent to be condescending.


I wrote the original blog entry because I was worried about the original poster … I didn’t think ignoring the problem was in her best interest—or that of her child. However, every single response was reinforcing that this behavior was normal. I wondered if I was so jaded that I really couldn’t see the forest for the trees. (Was I really the Lone Ranger?) So I asked all of you folks. Your responses matched my view of the situation, including Pat Johnston’s comment. She encouraged me to respond. I truly didn’t have the energy to respond, knowing I would get blasted for it. (Clearly, I was correct.) I encouraged her to do so, if she felt so led. She did, and she wrote a fabulous response. (And then I got blasted for passing it back to Pat...)


As things unfold, my blog link is posted on this board (that’s fine with me) and let the games begin …


As previously mentioned, I was avoiding the temptation to respond until I was deemed condescending. No, just tired. Also frustrated. Still worried about parents who have kids who need services, and still wishing folks would address the elephant in the living room earlier in the child’s life … but not condescending. Why would I be? I’m not the one who will live with this child. I know how hard this path is, even when you acknowledge you are on the path. I have nothing but concern for families who can’t or won’t find resources for their troubled kids. In my opinion, the original poster was doing the right thing by asking the question. I was supportive of her efforts to get answers. It was the answers I was worried about, and to follow up, I asked other people if it was just my warped perspective. The responses indicated my views were not so skewed. So tell me, what is my biggest sin? Using a scenario from another board to generate conversation and gain a perspective about my own views? Or is this still more about shoot the messenger?


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Comment from: NCOZADD@aol.com [Member] Email
{{{{Nancy}}}} Well, since I only have three "successes" out of four children, I guess that I am a lousy parent also.

Blech....

Some people just can't or won't understand. That does not make your message (and efforts!)any more valid or valuable. Please don't let that dissuade you from chugging away.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 08:23
Comment from: paulukon [Member] Email
I'm sorry :( ::hugs::
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 08:42
Comment from: Julia Fuller [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
It is hunting season you know...Some people just like to complain and don't really want any advice. I begged a family for 10 years to take their son to a psychiatrist in the area for medication for his disorder. She repeated told me his problems and asked my advice. Finally, when he was 16 and out of control they disrupted and put him back into foster care. They proclaimed over and over how they had done all they could.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 09:42
Comment from: rebrev [Member] Email
I am very curious about the intense reactions you received regarding the posting that mentioned another site. I believe that we tend to get really reactive when we are anxous and we tend to strike out at the messenger or the the person who is verbalizing or writing about whatever we are anxious about. It is like what our sons and daughters do to us. They hate what they are hearing out of our mouths about chores or being responsible or being respectful and they lash out, call us all kinds of names, and worse, because what they are hearing doesn't seem to jive with their worldview. What else can we do but tell the truth as we know it to be and share our thoughts, principles and ideas as best as we can. We can't really do anything to prevent the responses that come. I really can't figure why you are the lightning rod.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 10:08
Comment from: NCOZADD@aol.com [Member] Email
Lightning rods usually take the hit because they stand out in some way. They rise above whatever it is they are meant to protect, service or what-have-you.

Nancy does that - she stands out - and takes the hits that others can't or won't take for themselves.

The thing is, lightning rods sustain damage with time and use. Therefore, this lightning rod needs others who will stand with her.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 13:29
Comment from: Chromesthesia [Member] Email
It's easier to attack the wrong people than face the problem.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 16:54
Comment from: Lindy [Member] Email
Let's talk about pride.....none of us likes to admit that we can't "solve" our problelms. As many of us have learned over the years and tears, some of those problems simply cannot be solved. I have struggled with this concept for a long time and have finally admitted defeat. All of my children will not be successful based on my expectations. I have one out of seven who doesn't want success on our terms. I no longer make excuses for her, I accept that we can't fix this problem. My pride is indeed hurt. I have always viewed myself as a good parent who rears successful children. I have been brought to my knees.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 21:58
Comment from: Chromesthesia [Member] Email
I wonder what they mean by successful anyway?
Bankers, atterneys and politicians in suits?
They have problems too.
There's never going to be some Hallmark/disney moment of sudden perfect happiness and success when it comes to any kid. It's always an ongoing up and down struggle filled with good warm fuzzy moments and frustration moments even no matter what child it is or even if you have found your Fairy Tale True Love.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/07 @ 22:56
Comment from: scrapsbynobody [Member] Email · http://scrapsbynobody.blogspot.com/
I am a bit confused. Is the ATN list serve associated in some way with the organization Nancy is a part of? Does it have a common origin? I am just trying to understand what the tie in here is, if there is one.

Beyond that, I just don't really understand any of it. You would think, the more discussion the better. But if there's anything my children have taught me, it's that people only want to hear what they want to hear. My children are very adept at the "fingers in the ears, I can't hear you" routine, when I am touching on something that is hard to hear. And if I should pry their fingers out and the message gets through...then they just get angry at me.

And anyone who says you can't possibly be an expert if you have "failed" clearly doesn't have a grasp on history. Most of our greatest leaders were "failures". The only thing that made them different was their ability to keep getting up and trying again, and their refusal to give up. So Nancy, and all of us "failures" are in good company.

We need to try and not get so down. By taking these children into our homes, we have all become lightning rods. We really DO stick out, and as a result we all take hits. But for every hit, there are plenty of hugs and encouragement...especially here. For that I am grateful.
PermalinkPermalink 11/17/07 @ 05:26
Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
The story came from another community board on the Internet. I relayed the gist of the story, but did not "cross post" or name the poster or name the community board. The ATN boards ARE part of the organization I founded, and I occasionally pull material from there as well. Ideas, that is, not cross-posting verbatim.
PermalinkPermalink 11/17/07 @ 08:03
Comment from: Sunbonnet Sue [Member] Email
Nancy, you shared a big secret. A mom is having trouble managing her kids' unusual behavior. Now that the info is out, well, you know......

Scraps, you're right. We're all lightning rods, and we've all been hit. repeatedly! no wonder we're looking a little frazzled around the edges.
PermalinkPermalink 11/17/07 @ 11:27
Comment from: SunnyAndrsn [Member] Email
Ah! You're the one who is willing to stand out. Reminds me of my brother, who unfortunately was passed a genetic disease that took our mother's life. I was the first person willing to say that he had the same symptoms as Mom had...and I was blasted by family for it! Why was I trying to make trouble? Why couldn't I see that he was just working hard, or had a bad day, or was tired? Why did I have to 'assume' it was the big bad elephant in the room???

You have the courage to speak the truth. Those that do are always going to have attempts made to discredit them. Plan and simple. When the truth is spoken about our children, we moms stand up and get defensive.

Until parents can see clearly and accept their children for who they are instead of who they want them to be (ie, a better, new and improved version of us...living vicariously, perhaps?) many, many parents will continue to see their kids as strong willed, "special", and in need of 'understanding'.

I see it all the time...even in nursing, parents and health care providers alike would prefer to make excuses rather than hold children accountable--or God forbid THEMSELVES accountable for actually PARENTING their child.
PermalinkPermalink 11/17/07 @ 11:56
Comment from: Lindy [Member] Email
Hummmm....meaning of success. I consider my children successful if they are happy, contributing members of society. They recognize their value in this world and work towards making themselves and their surroundings better. I don't think we are asking too much of ourselves and our children to make them accountable for leaving a positive mark in this world. When we fail to recognize that our children are off track, we do them and the rest of the world a grave disservice.
PermalinkPermalink 11/17/07 @ 13:13
Comment from: Sunbonnet Sue [Member] Email
heck, I would have been happy if my girl simply hadn't slung crap filled pull ups at me. or had maybe snuffed out (pun intended!) plans to burn down the house......with everyone in it!
PermalinkPermalink 11/17/07 @ 14:35
Comment from: Lindy [Member] Email
Oh yeah...a sense of humor is also a necessity.
PermalinkPermalink 11/17/07 @ 17:44
Comment from: Mabel03 [Member] Email
Besides the sideways glances from supposed friends, the "I don't really want to hear this" looks from associates, and the apparent success (for now) at another home, the thing I find the most frustrating is how the professionals poo-poo any ideas from anyone who doesn't have an alphabet soup after his or her name. I have been dismissed in my view of RAD more than once by the so-called professionals. They'd rather call it Oppositional Defiant Disorder than RAD. RAD, you see, is only a diagnosis for infants. Huh? Well, don't those infants grow up???

I am glad for this site because it is good to not be alone, but I am sad, because apparently this adoption-related issue is more widespread than I thought.

As I have been upfront about our issues, other families from the same hosting group have also come forward with some stories. I wish the training we had received focused less on the possible mixed salad of physical issues and more on the psychological ones.

I sure wish I had been better informed ... I thought I did my part with the reading and attending seminars and talking with adoptive parents. It was not enough.
PermalinkPermalink 11/19/07 @ 06:02
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