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09/19/07

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Posted by : Nancy Spoolstra in Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog at 09:02 pm , 612 words, 174 views  
Categories: Relationships
Apparently, Beth was wrestling with more than just hormones last night. She was moody again this morning and barely made it out the door to catch her bus. When she came in the house after school, I was in the rocking chair with Dora, whose mood had also tanked about mid-afternoon. I wasn’t sure how Beth would feel, walking in and seeing me in “her” rocking chair with Dora. Beth had homework to do, so she sat down at the kitchen table and started to work. She didn’t seem too troubled by Dora sitting with me in the rocking chair.


I was dead tired again today and not in a very good mood myself. I’m not proud of how grumpy and short-tempered I was in the brief two hours I got to spend with Beth between school and swim practice. I dropped her off at practice and managed to drag myself home and get dinner on the table. My husband returned from a business trip, ate dinner and went to bed, apparently ill. I rocked Dora and got her into bed and then went back to get Beth at swim practice.

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Of course we had already eaten, but I joined Beth at the dinner table to keep her company while she ate. She was happy with her performance at swim practice and was relaxed and ready to talk. She immediately launched into an explanation of why she has been so grumpy and moody lately.


Beth started by telling me how she had noticed the sad look on Dora’s face when she returned home from school. Beth went on to say she has been struggling with her desire to “be a better big sister” conflicting with her own adjustments to sharing her space, plus the adjustment to school and swimming again. Beth went on to state that while she herself had not had an ideal beginning, she was younger than Dora when she joined our family, and she "had it better" than Dora.


We talked about ways that Beth can support Dora without even using words. I told her by simply hugging Dora or sitting beside her, Beth was sending a message of support. I explained to Beth that Dora was still missing her mom, while at the same time Dora was feeling much safer and more understood in our home. Like many foster and adopted children, I think what Dora really wants is for me to meld into her other adoptive mom (and maybe even her birthmom) and somehow become one. Beth immediately related to that feeling!


I asked Beth what I could do that would be most helpful to her when she was moody and irritable. She answered I should just let her have some space to figure out what she was feeling and to be in the right mood to discuss it. But at the same time she acknowledged that the first few moments after I back off, she thinks, "Man, she's not there for me, she's leaving me alone to deal with it!" I told her that was my biggest concern about not pushing past her bad mood, but that I sensed last night that she needed to figure some things out on her own.


I continue to be blown away by the insight, emotional maturity, giving nature and all around awesomeness of Beth. I had no hint that she was going to come home from swimming and lay this on me. Especially after I hadn’t been much of a mom-of-the-year candidate after school and before swimming! I can’t imagine that Dora could find a better role model, confidant and friend than Beth.

Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: Kelly [Member] Email · http://fost-adopt.adoptionblogs.com
Beth is an awesome girl, and turning into young lady. UGH!

You are blessed to have each other.
PermalinkPermalink 09/19/07 @ 22:42
Comment from: Mabel03 [Member] Email
Wow! Beth could give lessons to adults in dealing with others and in empathy. :)
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 04:58
Comment from: Sunbonnet Sue [Member] Email
Beth is a sweetie. It's difficult to imagine where she might be without the interventions she has received from your family. Awesome picture, the way their toes are touching.
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 07:01
Comment from: Faith Allen [Member] Email · http://hoping.adoptionblogs.com/
Beth is pretty amazing!!

You need to take a little credit, too, because you are the one who made her life safe enough to risk exploring all of the feelings that she is exploring.

Take care,

- Faith
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 12:22
Comment from: mater [Member] Email
Hello, I'm mater. I've been called "highly combative" for asking questions and my posts have been rudely removed. Perhaps I am wrong to believe blogs are for an open exhange of ideas and questions. I'll try once more, framing my questions in a straighforward manner which should be acceptable to any blog.

Nancy Spoolstra has just claimed to be an accomplished therapeutic parent. It is therefore reasonable to expect that she has a rationale for requiring a child to ask (and wait) for use of the bathroom. It is reasonable for the reading public to ask about this practice since it is common knowledge that exerting control over bodily functions is considered a human rights violation. So I'm assuming Nancy Spoolstra must have a compelling reason for this practice. I would like to know what it is.

As for stealing, here I disagree with Nancy Spoolstra that stealing is stealing. Without intending in the least to pry, I do believe it matters what children take and what are the circumstances, such as the child's age/understanding and cultural background. For an extreme example, throughout history, the man who steals bread for his starving children has been considered less immoral than the man who robs a widow of her savings. Likewise with children, for example, it matters greatly the age of the child who takes a neighbor's toy. I see this as a fairness issue. That is why I asked what the child was accused of stealing. Of course, Nancy Spoolstra is not required to answer, but dare not her readers ask?
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 13:03
Comment from: NCOZADD@aol.com [Member] Email
Nancy, what a lovely and loving young lady Beth is becomming!
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 14:08
Comment from: sltgjt [Member] Email
I also had my radish ask before he went to the bathroom and before he got into the fridge. I do not think I violated his human rights for having him wait. That is just stupid. Maybe if I made him wait until he went in his pants and didn't let him change his clothes but telling your child that they have to holf it is not violating their rights. I also feel that if you do not understand RAD that this is a greta blog to get insight into ways of handling their behavior and controling ways. Nancy is doing all of this to help this child learn that she doesn't have to control everything and that she can let her guard down so that she will have the chance to bond and love in a helthy way.
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 15:13
Comment from: Deb Donatti [Member] Email · http://open.adoptionblogs.com
sltgjt, I agree. We have our RAD daughter ask (or inform) us before bathroom use too, if we didn't we might end up with poop on the walls (sorry to be so graphic). She also asks to use the fridge, if not she eats way more than she should of things that make her feel worse (candy anyone?)
While I am new to this, I do believe that these children need to have "comforting controls" in order to feel secure, and to learn when and how to appropriately express emotions. This is not to say that our child will not achieve privacy for this eventually, but right now we need to assure that she is not using this "private" time to act out her shame and anger issues in a destructive manner (and trust me in the past she has- poop=walls). She needs to learn to verbalize those feelings to me in our bonding sessions (like Nancy's rocking?)
I think Nancy has shared a ton of things that have helped me personally, as well as many other families. I am VERY grateful for her insight.

As for “mater” there is a disturbing lack of respect being expressed by this person. This is not healthy questioning, it is down right rude and abusive the way in which she is harassing Nancy.
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 16:22
Comment from: nancyderen [Member] Email
My daughter came to me directly from a RAD treatment home where absolutely nothing was kept in the bathroom, and the kids had to ask for and were given small amounts of toothpaste, soap etc as needed to prevent problems. So when she came to me, I needed to monitor when she was in the bathroom (especially at other people's houses where it wasn't as kid-proofed- my favorite was when she covered herself in vaseline, then baby powder- she looked like a little snowman!) While I didn't need to have her ask permission because I live in a small apartment where it is pretty obvious when someone is going into the bathroom, I needed to know when she was in there because she would tend to look for items to hurt herself with, smear feces, try to clog the toilet, etc. She needed constant monitoring. As for stealing, in her particular case I do vary my response based on what she steals, because for her there usually is a meaning behind what she chooses to steal, and because she has so many target behaviors that at this moment, stealing (if she immediately comes to me and confesses, which she always does, and then returns or works off the expense of the item) is not one of the offenses I am as strict about. I just wanted to express the opinion that I think any questions asked here should be answered respectfully if the idea is to teach people about RAD. One of the reasons I think there are so many misconceptions about RAD interventions is that people have never heard the reasons. Giving information may help people to see things in a different light.
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 18:34
Comment from: mater [Member] Email
So is the reason the child needs to ask permission to go to the bathroom because the mother accompanies and stays with the child in the bathroom -- to see that the child doesn't again smear feces on the bathroom walls or misuse toiletries?
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 19:46
Comment from: Pylon [Member] Email
Some people just like to stir the pot, I guess. It's just like the relatives who don't understand the way we HAVE to parent our kids (NO, it's NOT being MEAN - it's survival). I for one just skip mater's posts. They don't add anything to the discussion, and it seems that any response(s) to them just stir the pot. Just like we ignore inappropriate behavior from our kids, I will do so with mater's posts.
PermalinkPermalink 09/20/07 @ 19:49
Comment from: AdoptionBlogs Editor [Member] Email · http://editor.adoptionblogs.com
Mater -
You know very well why your comments were removed. They were Trolling and I don't tolerate that here.
The answer to your bathroom question was made very clear by the other RAD parents here.
PermalinkPermalink 09/21/07 @ 08:40
Comment from: Sunbonnet Sue [Member] Email
Mater, my curiosity is aroused. Are you a stakeholder within the adoption community?

There are about a zillion different reasons why a parent may need to supervise bathroom behavior.

PermalinkPermalink 09/21/07 @ 08:57
Comment from: getting old [Member] Email
matter sounds like the leader of a cult I used to belong to proclaiming they could cure RAD bay stopping and holding the child each time the child was doing something

reasons why the RAD child who lives with me needs to inform those around him he needs to go potty

crap smeared on the walls, kicked out pipes behind potty, peed on stuff under sink, pooped on TP down in shampoo bottles, removed seat, peed on walls, peed on toothbrushed, drinking mouth wash, over flowing sinks, broken potties, apparently is is a load of fun to pee up into the air... snot on towels, torn up showers, etc...

and for fun come out of bathroom "excited" forgetting to put your pants back on
PermalinkPermalink 09/22/07 @ 05:14
Comment from: nancyderen [Member] Email
In response to one of the questions- I didn't accompany my kid in the bathroom, but stayed nearby, so that 1. I would be right there to intervene if she did try to do something to harm herself- bathroom was kid-proofed enough that she couldn't do serious harm, 2. I would be able to see immediately and then process with her if she did any other types of inappropriate behaviors and wouldn't have to deal with the extra step of her having the opportunity to lie about it. In some residential programs, the kids do have to be accompanied into the bathroom- this is usually only when a serious safety issue.
PermalinkPermalink 09/22/07 @ 21:23
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