Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog

10/31/07

Teenagers -- two year olds with hormones and wheels

Posted by : Nancy Spoolstra in Reactive Attachment Disorder Blog at 08:08 am , 522 words, 235 views  
Categories: Teenagers
In my recent blogs about Dora and her manure moving, a reader inquired how to get a teenager to work when they refused to do anything. You can’t make someone work. I wanted Amy to get a job on her own as soon as she turned 16, but of course she had no intentions of doing so. My husband and I arranged her first couple of jobs, at age 14 and 15. When she did nothing to make it happen, I told her in the real world, when you don’t work you don’t eat in the style to which she was accustomed. I said she could have all the peanut butter and jelly, fresh fruit and veggies, and milk she wanted … but nothing else until she found a job. She went six months and did nothing. I finally arranged for the son of a friend of mine to take Amy to her bank, and withdraw $30 to pay him to walk her through the mall collecting job applications. Another friend took her back for interviews (Amy cleaned her car in return) and Kyle took her back one day as well (she cleaned Kyle’s room for him.) She got a job.

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Now Amy is learning the same lesson without me choreographing it.


I would suggest to the mom who asked about what to do with her oppositional teen that mom provide the basic necessities of life and nothing else. No input = minimal output on the part of the family. Until our kids emancipate, we have obligations to support them, but that doesn’t have to be steak and potatoes. (Nor does it automatically include family vacations, cars, electronic goodies, etc!) Our job is to prepare them for the real world, and in the real world, no work is a sorry state of affairs.


With regards to Bipette’s question about examples of messages of competence and confidence, given through the back door … the above scenario is one example. If a teenage boy is not working, and nothing is said or done that sends a message that he is expected to contribute, he might as well be told he is not capable of contributing. Whether or not he does contribute is up to him … but not to expect it if he is physically able to do it sends a very defeatist message.


Messages of competence and confidence are more about the big picture than individual interactions. It is an overall approach that reflects a parent’s belief that a child has all the tools they need to succeed. Directly telling a child they are capable of doing something might convince that child they need to prove you wrong. But dumbing down your expectations because they don’t want to perform sends all the wrong messages.


So tying both questions together … expect your oppositional kids to contribute, and logically consequence them when they don’t. Don’t allow them to freeload with no consequences. If you think your child is capable of accomplishing a particular task or goal, don’t sell them short.


Peanut butter paralysis Part One

Peanut butter paralysis Part Two


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Comment from: dubbamom [Member] Email
Nancy,
I have a question for you. You mentioned what you had Amy do to earn things as a teenager. Did you do this at an earlier age? or Do you wish you had done it earlier? I have a child who doesn't like to contribute in any way to the family, but he's only six. He lives in the the land of plenty. Unconditional love, great meals, nice clothes, and all the benefits of a middleclass family. What can I do now, proactively, to make him understand the importance of doing his part, as a family member. This value is not coming naturally for him.
Thanks!
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Comment from: Bippette [Member] Email
The part 2 link didn't work, and I can't find it. Help!!
PermalinkPermalink 10/31/07 @ 09:39
Comment from: paulukon [Member] Email
dubbamom, you can start requiring chores. Our daughter is only almost 3. She's been doing chores since before she could walk. Okay, back then, she was just "helping" Mommy. Her chores include:

* putting her toys away at the end of the day. (We have a small toy box and everything goes in it. We try to keep relatively few toys out of her room at a time so this is not difficult.)
* Taking her washcloth and toothbrush to be cleaned (sometimes dishes, but she's not so good at holding them, esp if food is still on them, that will come soon).
* Helping with laundry (she can take clothes in/out of the machines, help me hang them up, and folds/puts away the washcloths). She can also put her own clothes away.

Pretty basic chores, but suited to a not-yet-3. By the time she's 6, I'd expect her to be able to set and clear the table, help fix meals, help more with the laundry, work in the garden (with guidance!), sweep/mop the floor, scoop dog poop (I think, not yet sure), put away groceries, other household cleaning, keeping room neat, etc.

If he hasn't been doing chores, you will have to start small, but 6 year olds are certainly capable of things and can have simply, natural consequences. Doesn't put toys away? Loses them. Doesn't help with dinner? Gets PB&J. And small can be--has 5 toys out and puts them away. Assists you with putting things on the table. Then next week, does that task with less assistance, and less and less. and gradually add more difficult chores.

In fact, involving him in the life might make things go better. For instance, my DD doesn't care for veggies on her plate all that much, she passes them by. But if she's on the stool in the kitchen "helping" me, she gobbles them right up! She's far more interested in the food because she's a part of it.
PermalinkPermalink 10/31/07 @ 10:03
Comment from: OwensMama [Member] Email
I agree with paulukon. Start young and start small. My son has been participating in every way he's been capable since he came home at 15 months old. He clears his plate/utensils after meals, he straightens his bed blankets (he uses his best efforts as defined by me, he's too young to make his huge bed alone so he spreads out his small "blankie" neatly)and straightens his stuffed animals on his bed. He is expected to do this every day at all occasions. As he got older, he threw his own dirty diapers in the trash, was sent to get a clean diaper and wipes when needed. I deliberately put storage for his kiddie bowls, plates and cups in a low cabinet so he could help put them away as I emptied the dishwasher. He even helps bring groceries in...he carries what he can handle and many times it's more bother to have him "help" than it is useful, but all of the "chores" we've given him since he was very young were used to build habits he could use as he got older to make true contributions to our family. He has taken much pride in being a contributor. He was never offered a choice as to whether he would like to do any of these things, it was just a part of his life like breathing and eating...necessary. As he's gotten older I explain his duties more fully and they have certainly expanded, but it was much easier to transition into meaningful chores by establishing what I would consider "mock" chores at a very young age. As an added note, I found that when my son struggled with a requested job it was usually because my request was to broad or simply too large and overwhelming. What seems simple to adults is often something that needs to be broken down into parts and spelled out for a child i.e. "Please pick up your books and put them on the shelf" rather than "Clean your room, this place is a mess!" I would break the cleaning chore down into steps so he understood how to tackle a large project like picking up toys without being overwhelmed. He still needs to be reminded to do many of the things he's responsible for every day, but he does them willingly and gives them his best effort almost always. I can't ask much more than that. Good luck!
PermalinkPermalink 10/31/07 @ 11:43
Comment from: Cindy Bodie [Member] Email · http://older-child.adoptionblogs.com
Nancy, I always enjoy your posts.
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Comment from: Nancy Spoolstra [Member] Email · http://attachment-disorder.adoptionblogs.com/
Thanks Cindy, the same back at ya!
PermalinkPermalink 10/31/07 @ 15:19
Comment from: scrapsbynobody [Member] Email · http://scrapsbynobody.blogspot.com/
Another challenge is to get them to go beyond the mandated chores, to offering help, or seeing things that need doing without being asked. I have found it helpful to not chastise them for this negligence, but to just say lightheartedly, "Oops! You just missed a chance to bless Mommy!" (Or Daddy, or sibling...) It has almost become a game to "score" a blessing. At any rate, for all their complaining, they are all learning to do their chores well, and seem to get satisfaction, if not from a job well done, at least over having the job done! These are children who came expecting everything to be done for them, and who destroyed everything in their path. It is encouraging to see progress in this area.
PermalinkPermalink 10/31/07 @ 17:07
Comment from: Sunbonnet Sue [Member] Email
scraps, you're so right, the success is sweet!
PermalinkPermalink 10/31/07 @ 19:23
Comment from: Sunbonnet Sue [Member] Email
One more thought Scraps, we have a Calvin and Hobbes book titled "There's Treasure Everywhere." A little while back our boy Max told me, "Mom, it's true! There's Treasure Everywhere!" He has recently made that leap to scanning for what needs to be done, and then doing it, without parental prompting. and yes, He's reaping the internal rewards involved. Score! The Bible says, "God loves a cheerful giver." Parents also love cheerful givers, but what it does for the giver? real treasure!
PermalinkPermalink 11/01/07 @ 08:27
Comment from: CREAMPUFF_SUGAR [Member] Email
Our son who has not wanted anything for the four years we have had him is only in the last few weeks seeming to want. I couldn't believe he remembered the polished rocks my dad gave him for Christmas two years ago or the view master and reels received a few years ago, but he did...He has not been allowed access to them because he refused to write a thank you note. NOTE: relatives think this is over the top. Further Note: We are grateful for a 1000 mile separation. Just this week as packages have arrived, he is immediately asking to write notes as he has missed out on oodles of candy (which he loves) because he refuses to budge on writing. I have found that wanting them to have something more than they want it --which is shown by DOING SOMETHING...CALLED EFFORT--is not helping them; it is robbing them. I am more interested in my son having initiative than stuff.

He refuses to try at school work. This is not a problem for me. But he does want to watch videos. I tell him that videos that his sister very periodically watches during the day are an option for him when he tries at school work. "Then I'll try!" he says. I rejoin "And I will know when you read and know your subtraction and addition facts". I am sure I will be waiting at least six months. It doesn't matter. I tell him that if I let him watch a video [we do let him watch if it is the whole family and is a family activity which happens once every three weeks] I am robbing him of time he could be spending learning to read and add and substract and I would feel terrible robbing him.

It is absolutely amazing how big control is. At first our son refused to use vowels in his letters. No matter, I sent them. Now he uses vowels, but the wrong ones. No matter, I send them. He says he doesn't know our address. No matter I send it. Then he knows our address the next day, but messes up the zip code. No matter, I send it...Slowly...ever so slowly he is letting go...I told him that if it was that important to be in control, he was welcome to be, but was it really worth it? He doesn't really like to think about the future...but he seems to be wanting more.

My recommendation: Cloister. Refuse to listen to people who have no idea about the control these kids exhibit. And wait.
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